Pennine Way: the route and how do you want to do it?

austin

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Having ridden a good section of the southern end of the route that I thought was going to be a bit tedious I am now really excited about this. This is going to be 300+ miles of the best riding roads in the country.

Some questions:

1. is anyone really bothered about doing greenlanes? I confess I haven't got far with this yet. I know a couple in Yorks Dales but they are very rough and not really for loaded up bigtraillies. I don't know Derbyshire well enough, other than there seems to be a lot of lanes most of which seem to be at the extreme end of things. I have found some maps of lanes in Durham and Northumberland but no idea of condition other than assuming they will be very wet and muddy. Unless anyone really wants green lanes this is going to be a road ride, and if you do you will have to do your own research but I will factor into the overall route.

2. Do you want to do this as a group ride, with second man drop off etc or do your own thing, meeting at agreed places? . As ever, always happy to lead all or some of you. Shout up if you want to do your own thing and I will try and get a .gpx file or whatever it is basecamp produces. The route is almost finalised - there's a couple of places where I need to find a way of forcing the route where I want it to go and then I need to rename all the waypoints and shaping points so they would make sense to anyone other than me.

3. What sort of places and how often do you want to stop. I will stop at obvious view points for photos (there's loads) and also at places where we cross the real pennine way. But there's also various interesting places to stop. Here's what I thought:
Day 1
Jellies. Yonderman Big Breakfast: you wont need to eat until tea time :eekicon:
The Official Start of the Pennine way (10mins for photos)
Holmfirth (Last of the summer wine) near Sid's Cafe. There is a car park almost opposite and I reckon its about the right distance from the start for a break. (half hour)
Either Hebden Bridge. Interesting town, lots of cafes and small independent shops. Renowned for having the higest Lesbian population per capita. Bike parking difficult. (half hour)
or Haworth (Bronte Sisters). I went there today, there's a sort of Historic cobbled high street with all the Bronte memorabilia. Bike parking might be difficult without paying. (1 hour)
Malham and /or Goredale Scar. Yorkshire village with limestone geological and geographical features. Should be easy parking but longish walks to the main sights. (1 Hour)
Ribblehead Viaduct, umm, trains, bridge, and moorland. Probably a brew van not far. Also a pub. (15mins)
Hawes shopping, supplies, or whatever before the bunkhouse.

Day 2
Buttertubs - look at the err, buttertubs (10mins)
Takoda camping There's a few camping there the same weekend. If we leave early enough we should catch them there still. Paul may be able to tea and coffee. (half hour)
Alston. North Pennine Market town. Always bloomin' cold when i go there. (half hour)
Somewhere along the Roman Wall. I dont know exactly where yet, but I suppose we should. (15mins)
Bellingham. Small market town. Last petrol and supplies before Wooler. (15mins)
Somewhere along Kielder Forest Drive (15mins)
Yetholm and the offical end of the Pennine way (10mins for photos)

Any other requests?

Any other questions about the route?

Petrol: I would have thought most bikes will do each day on one tank. I will stop at the filling station at Bamford about 5 miles from the Official Start and again at Hawes BEFORE we go to the bunkhouse so bikes are full for the next day. We will go right past several filling stations so if you need fuel and we are in a group let me know, but in Durham and Northumberland there can be some surprisingly big gaps between fillings stations, for example I am pretty sure Bellingham will be the last fuel we see before Wooler.
 

Paul-S

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Sounds great Austin

I don't mind missing out the green lanes

Group ride and 2nd man drop off should be fine, there's not that many bikes on the ride
 

Lutin

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Another vote for the Group Ride with 2nd man drop off. Wouldn't have been interested in the green lanes myself - well I don't think Rachel would have been too happy walking :D .

Is this sounding like we're all too unadventurous?
 

Kbanny

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austin said:
Having ridden a good section of the southern end of the route that I thought was going to be a bit tedious I am now really excited about this. This is going to be 300+ miles of the best riding roads in the country.

Some questions:

1. is anyone really bothered about doing greenlanes? I confess I haven't got far with this yet. I know a couple in Yorks Dales but they are very rough and not really for loaded up bigtraillies. I don't know Derbyshire well enough, other than there seems to be a lot of lanes most of which seem to be at the extreme end of things. I have found some maps of lanes in Durham and Northumberland but no idea of condition other than assuming they will be very wet and muddy. Unless anyone really wants green lanes this is going to be a road ride, and if you do you will have to do your own research but I will factor into the overall route.

2. Do you want to do this as a group ride, with second man drop off etc or do your own thing, meeting at agreed places? . As ever, always happy to lead all or some of you. Shout up if you want to do your own thing and I will try and get a .gpx file or whatever it is basecamp produces. The route is almost finalised - there's a couple of places where I need to find a way of forcing the route where I want it to go and then I need to rename all the waypoints and shaping points so they would make sense to anyone other than me.

3. What sort of places and how often do you want to stop. I will stop at obvious view points for photos (there's loads) and also at places where we cross the real pennine way. But there's also various interesting places to stop. Here's what I thought:
Day 1
Jellies. Yonderman Big Breakfast: you wont need to eat until tea time :eekicon:
The Official Start of the Pennine way (10mins for photos)
Holmfirth (Last of the summer wine) near Sid's Cafe. There is a car park almost opposite and I reckon its about the right distance from the start for a break. (half hour)
Either Hebden Bridge. Interesting town, lots of cafes and small independent shops. Renowned for having the higest Lesbian population per capita. Bike parking difficult. (half hour)
or Haworth (Bronte Sisters). I went there today, there's a sort of Historic cobbled high street with all the Bronte memorabilia. Bike parking might be difficult without paying. (1 hour)
Malham and /or Goredale Scar. Yorkshire village with limestone geological and geographical features. Should be easy parking but longish walks to the main sights. (1 Hour)
Ribblehead Viaduct, umm, trains, bridge, and moorland. Probably a brew van not far. Also a pub. (15mins)
Hawes shopping, supplies, or whatever before the bunkhouse.

Day 2
Buttertubs - look at the err, buttertubs (10mins)
Takoda camping There's a few camping there the same weekend. If we leave early enough we should catch them there still. Paul may be able to tea and coffee. (half hour)
Alston. North Pennine Market town. Always bloomin' cold when i go there. (half hour)
Somewhere along the Roman Wall. I dont know exactly where yet, but I suppose we should. (15mins)
Bellingham. Small market town. Last petrol and supplies before Wooler. (15mins)
Somewhere along Kielder Forest Drive (15mins)
Yetholm and the offical end of the Pennine way (10mins for photos)

Any other requests?

Any other questions about the route?

Petrol: I would have thought most bikes will do each day on one tank. I will stop at the filling station at Bamford about 5 miles from the Official Start and again at Hawes BEFORE we go to the bunkhouse so bikes are full for the next day. We will go right past several filling stations so if you need fuel and we are in a group let me know, but in Durham and Northumberland there can be some surprisingly big gaps between fillings stations, for example I am pretty sure Bellingham will be the last fuel we see before Wooler.
 

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CumbriaTwin

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I feel certain this is a stupid question, but what is 2nd man drop off?
I'm guessing it's not a method of loosing the pillion when flying over a large bump :eekicon:
 

Chewbadger

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When you reach a turn/junction. Leader goes through and the second man waits at the junction to show the rest of the group the route, and follows at the end.
 

Lutin

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XS904 said:
When you reach a turn/junction. Leader goes through and the second man waits at the junction to show the rest of the group the route, and follows at the end.

Nearly. The "second" man waits at the turn/junction, as you've said, but waits for the "last" man or "sweeper". The "sweeper" is always the last bike.

So, the rest of the group only need to know who is the leader and who is the sweeper.
 

Mark

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Was hoping for a gentle green lane at some point. I have tried to find out and its nigh on impossible unless someone actually knows one so can see why its not really an option. Only time I've ever used 2nd thingy doo dah it all went to ratshit as between two points someone made a wrong turn, chaos ensued with bikes going in all directions!

Satnav waypoints would be good but I use a tomtom and the rest of the world have garmin! Maybe some long/lat positions so they can be manually put in? There seems to be a few so maybe a couple of groups and people can switch around at stops.These things kinda fall into place on the day I find. I personally will go with the flow and fit in with everyone else :)
 

Ian Porter

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Mark said:
Satnav waypoints would be good but I use a tomtom and the rest of the world have garmin!

'Tyre to Travel' will convert Garmin files to Tomtom files
 

austin

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The Basecamp route has hundreds of waypoints to shape the route down the roads I want to ride down. It's not the tool for the job really. I will see what I can do though.

I could provide waypoints for the main places we plan to stop at along with approximate timings.

On green lanes..... There is a fairly gentle and shortish one just outside Hawes nearly at the end of day one. Happy to lead a few people down there. Anything else i have looked in Yorkshire is either very rocky and steep or muddy and I have learned that when on a recce of such places I really ought to go with someone else to help push a huge GSA when I chicken out after a few hundred yards. Day 2 will involve the kielder forest drive - a very easy gravel track but I could with someone with local knowledge for anywhere else.

Leave it all with me for a few days.


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Ian Porter

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austin said:
The Basecamp route has hundreds of waypoints to shape the route down the roads I want to ride down.

if you want me to convert it for Tomtom at any point Austin send it over,

Tomtom can handle a max of 100 waypoints but I can split it down to separate files for each day
 

Elle

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I'm riding my GS so will avoid trails in Derbyshire / Yorkshire.

Don't have a bike satnav so would appreciate a drop-off system or to print off the route in advance. Do we have a back-marker? I don't mind doing a stint at it - got my own hi-viz ;)

Comfort breaks - not overly concerned about Hebden and Haworth but the Howarth Old Hall Inn is quite central to Main St & 10 the coffee shop has nice cakes :)

A Geordie at work recommends the Twice Brewed Inn on the B6318
 

CumbriaTwin

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Austin, I have some local knowledge around the roman wall area and up in to the bottom of kielder. Couple of routes I've ridden recently, basically gravel tracks but one, the better one, has a small stream that needs to be crossed by a little rocky ford. I crossed it no problem on an AT and have only been riding two months!!
Contact me if you'd like more details...
 

CumbriaTwin

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Oh, and I have no bike sat nav either. Plenty landranger maps though, although I do tend to find they flutter in the breeze above a certain speed :lol:
 

austin

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CumbriaTwin said:
Austin, I have some local knowledge around the roman wall area and up in to the bottom of kielder. Couple of routes I've ridden recently, basically gravel tracks but one, the better one, has a small stream that needs to be crossed by a little rocky ford. I crossed it no problem on an AT and have only been riding two months!!
Contact me if you'd like more details...

Yes please. Start/end coordinates or a description of the location please. I have digital maps of the UK so should be able to find them. The Northumberland route is Greenhead to Chollerford to Bellingham to kielder to forest drive to carter bar. So if not too far off that a simple gravel road sounds like a goer.


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Mark

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Main waypoints with rough timings could be a plan. If the drop off system is used I don't mind being at the back, can use the GSA spots and with its HID blue headlight it should be easy to notice!

Ian, I'm not that great at computers and could never work out how to use that Tyre thing so gave up!
 

CumbriaTwin

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Hi Austin.
There is an excellent gravel track running from NY 724 711 to NY 736 739. It is mostly through forestry, some of which is being harvested although I assume that will not be a problem on a weekend. It was certainly very quiet on the evening I was there about a month ago. There is a small stream to cross (sweet sike). It is rocky and is not a proper ford, although this was not a problem and I just picked a route across it, it's about 8ft wide. The track itself is uneven and has large puddles here and there depending on weather, and is marked as not suitable for motor vehicles, which leads me to believe that vehicles must be permitted to use it presumably down to driver/rider choice. It would be ideal in terms of being the closest route to the Pennine way.
I also recently rode a byway open to all traffic from NY 686 664 to NY 697 664. It is basically a rough gravel farm track and although not very long, it very closely follows a section of the Pennine way. Might be useful. There did not appear to be any signs or notifications suggesting that it shouldn't be used when I was there a couple of weeks ago.
I hope that helps and if you need anything else just shout
 
Ian Porter said:
Mark said:
Satnav waypoints would be good but I use a tomtom and the rest of the world have garmin!

'Tyre to Travel' will convert Garmin files to Tomtom files

put the .gpx files into the "gpx2itn" folder on your TomTom and it will convert them on the fly

yes .gpx files have 1000's of waypoints and you can thin them out in Tyre

also the TomTom will try to go to the first waypoint on your route so if you set off 100 yards away it will keep trying to take you back to the start

we learnt this lesson last week trying to get to Slovenia and back in four days and in the end gave up on the plotted routes and just put new destinations in when we wanted to get somewhere
 

austin

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I have never had much success with pre planned routes and sat navs so will pull out a few of the key waypoints and then if anyone gets lost or wants to do their own thing they should still be able to navigate most of the day's route. It's also perfectly feasible I will make a mistake on the day so of no one has the route I had in mind nobody will ever know ;)


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