Canada & USA 2015

austin

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Re: Canada & USA 2015

Another quick and photo free update....

So, we left Duluth on a mild and dry day heading East along the South shore of Lake Superior. The Duluth area is actually two quite big towns: Duluth in Minnesota in the west and over the river to Superior in Wisconsin. Duluth dominates however. Both are heavy industry towns (and still are) on account of all resources found in USA and Canada and the shipping industry, although neither has the grime we would associate with heavy industry but there is a lot of decay and the towns' heydays are certainly in the past

After leaving Superior We picked up a "scenic" byway along the south shore of Lake Superior. Byway in this context does not mean a green lane like it might in the UK, just a way marked route that is noted for its scenic or historic merits. There's loads all over the US and they are usually worth following. This took us through some pretty little fishing towns and small resorts to Bayfield and the Apostle islands. Possibly the nicest town on the trip with a nice Main Street, marina, fishing harbour, good coffee shops and a choice of eateries. A bit upmarket though and most clientele somewhat "preppy" we decided to stay two nights and have a day boat trip around the islands.

The downside to the town was while it had loads of B&B, guesthouse and other lodgings it only had two campsites. One was very basic without even running water, the other appeared ok, with great views over the town and islands, so we booked in two nights - a tad pricey at $28 a night and a whole bunch of rules about what not to do, but it was handy and there. What a dump! The pitch sloped two directions at once, the tent area had no views, it was lumpy and open to a road - a quiet one but still open, the pitches were crowded - 6 tents in area fit only for 3 really, and to cap it all the tent campers pit toilets were a literal eye watering disaster - the ammonia was choking. I pissed in the trees and didn't give a damm who saw. The main shower block was a 5 minute hike down the hill and must have been built in 1940. Showers were an extra $1.50 for 4 mins of too hot water. We couldn't wait to leave which was a shame as bayfield was nice, the boat trip was excellent and we bought local and fresh Lake a Trout and Whitefish for dinners. I even tried whitefish livers which were surprisingly nice.

We ended having a really long day after that as we meandered along the scenic byway looking at views and the historic markers the Americans like to put up every do often. Usually marking something very insignificant like "in the field opposite in 1851 John and Mary smith established the first settlement in nowheresville. They traded with the Indians, discovered gold, and soon became millionaires only to loose it all in a game of cards and die of dysentery two years later". (This one is mostly true but I can't recall names or details or where we saw it). Mostly you can't even see the field opposite because of trees that the national park refuse to cut back, and even if you could the wooden cabin will be long gone. It was another cool and windy day (this a theme around Lake Superior as the water is so cold it creates a micro climate around the shores) and somewhat tired after two bad nights in that crappy campsite, and mindful of some more thunderstorms and extreme weather forecasted we aimed for the town of Houghton and a motel. But, it turned to be the town's University drop off weekend and all hotels were booked up for miles around by anxious parents dropping off their loved ones. We were advised to go to Copper Harbour as there were lots of hotels there, it was far enough away from Houghton and it was also very very nice. Copper Harbour is at the tip of the Keenawawa peninsular and is extraordinarily nice. But all hotels and motels and B&B booked do we booked into the campsite - one night this time even though we fancied two. Great site, good location but another shit pitch - tent campers are definitely second class citizens over here with RVers getting best and most convenient spots. The pitch was even shittier in the morning when it started thundering and after four hours of very heavy rain we found ourselves in the middle of a massive and rapidly rising 1-2 inch deep puddle. It was at this point we also discovered the other zip on our tent had bust. With everything packed up in dry bags and mostly dry we ventured out and splashed about in the flood taking a very wet tent down. Jeez it was heavy as I stuffed it into the pannier. Within an hour the sun was out :(

More later, duties beckon.


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austin

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Canada & USA 2015

Back again freshly showered etc.

While the sun came out we had a bit of a re-plan. With the tent out of action and wet stuff to deal with we needed a motel and with more wet weather forecast for copper harbour we decided to head east for the rest of the day after a quick mooch around Copper Harbour - it really is nice BUT as it's on a peninsular well out into Lake Superior it gets a lot of rain and in winter a lot of snow. And I mean a lot - like over 300" of the stuff every year. That's 25 feet of snow. The whole area is geared for snowy weather - lots of pick up trucks and other 4x4 with snow ploughs on, alpine style houses,, road signs for skidoo users, and tracks and road crossings build for skidoo use. Where such a track crosses the road they put a thick layer of white paint (like the centre line paint) to protect the road surface from the skidoo drive. Anyway 3-4 hours later we checked into a lovely "mom and pop" motel for $60, got everything dried out, and had dinner in a brewery :). The downside of staying in a motel is the TV and the plethora of weather channels always forecasting doom and gloom, and so it was for the Great Lakes area. Our decision to get a cabin for three nights in Sault Ste Marie (aka Soo) was to prove wise.

Next day saw the temperature at just 10c - about 10-15 below average for the time of year and all locals complaining about the cold. It did rise to 14c later though. The 280miles to Soo was long, cold and tedious. The Upper Peninsular of Michigan is heavily wooded and undeveloped, which makes for a nice natural environment; the downside though is that there is bugger all to see except trees along the arrow straight roads. However we got to Soo just ahead of the rain having spent all but 6 of our US dollars :) and just after unpacking into our cabin at about 2pm the heavens opened. Nice and cozy in here though with light, heat, and a comfy bed.

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Alba

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Excellent Austin keep it coming :)

What's your main take a ways being so long on the road? Especially two up, What you carry, the way it's packed, what's needed, what's not? ......

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austin

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Whealie said:
Sounds like camping is awful. Hope you're both still enjoying it.

Awful perhaps a bit strong as there have been some wonderful campgrounds and lovely pitches, but in the main tents are pushed to the outer edges of the campgrounds , on a gravelly or soil and sand pitch and under trees. Good when it's hot and dry, not good when cool and wet as it makes for a damp gloomy experience and if well used the ground is hard packed and doesn't drain well. The campgrounds in the regional or state parks can be better but facilities can be a bit basic to say the least, if any facilities at all.

Mind the RVers don't fare that much better, they are often packed in so close their pop out sides and awnings nearly touch. But you never see them, as once hooked up to the electric, water, and cable tv they seem to lock themselves inside watching TV only emerging to walk their darling little pooches. I don't like them.


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nick949

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You just have to get that pussy bike dusty and head for places where you can camp wherever you please. :mockery17: Camp sites where you have to pay are to be avoided. Remind me again - what am I doing this weekend? :whistle:

Nick
 

austin

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Re: Canada & USA 2015

Alba said:
Excellent Austin keep it coming :)

What's your main take a ways being so long on the road? Especially two up, What you carry, the way it's packed, what's needed, what's not? ......

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Ok, you asked for it......

Take a woman with you who likes doing laundry that way you only need a few items of clothing and it all gets miraculously washed, dried and put away about every 5 days. ;)

The best thing we got for our trip is an Exped camping duvet designed to fit to our Exped Downmats. It's been brilliant and is sooo much better than sleeping bags in every respect. Packs small and light, warm when needed, cool when not, comfy and roomy. Expensive like most Exped stuff but it oozes quality and well worth it. We had to order from Germany as it's not available in the UK. This packs with the two Downmats, air pillows, silk sleeping bags, two down jackets, and the tent poles into an ortlieb bag on the rear rack.

We both have about a weeks worth of clothes - underwear for a week anyway, - and as ever merino wool t shirts are best as they last ages. We both also wanted to feel normal most of the time so took clothes we liked to wear anyway rather than bike specific gear. I am a big fan of Rohan brand clothing, especially shirts which are well made, wash and dry real easy, have good pockets for phone, documents etc. I like to keep the really important stuff close to me so use shirt pockets a lot and have my (kriega) wallet on my belt all the time. I could lose and easily replace everything else but passports, credit cards, tickets, phone, and specs are far harder to replace so I always know where they are.

In a similar vein it is worth doing things in an orderly manner and going it more or less the same each time. So it's tent up, then while Anne assembles bedding I charge the helmet intercoms, check the bike over and generally make sure everything is in place and proper. When packing up I also try to pack everything in the same place in the same order. It's also worth being careful with little breakable stuff. It's easy to replace at home or in the UK, but a right pita when away somewhere else.

We are not hard core biker campers in any way. If it's been too wet, too cold, too hot or we are just plain tired we head straight for a motel or try and get a camping cabin. Setting up, taking down, walking to the facilities all gets tiresome day after day so we also try to have 2-3 consecutive nights camping at least once a week. However we have tent camped about 65 out of the 85 so far. We are lucky I guess in that while on a budget for day to day there is a decent reserve so we don't have to worry too much about going a bit over. Which we do most days.

Packing wise the smaller left hand pannier has the tent, tarp, groundsheet, pegs and helinox chairs in. The tent is just stuffed in then everything else on top. The helinox chairs have been great and are far more robust than they seem.

Right hand pannier has stove, plates, cups coffee, etc etc etc in it with room to spare for additional food and anything we buy en-route. We each have a dry bag on top of the pannier for our clothes, with clothes also in lightweight dry bags inside for security and to keep things separated (so my shirts don't get tainted with smelly socks).

Tank bag has a couple of 1litre water bottles, bug spray, suntan lotion, sunglasses, maps, guidebooks and brochures we pick up on route, sweets and anything else we can squeeze in. I also have a first aid kit and a a few other other bags and boxes with waterproofs, spare gloves, tools and stuff in them. Tool tubes are empty except when I have bought whisky :).

...... and we don't drink much: it's expensive and neither of us sleep so well even after just a couple of beers. When we do buy beer we tend to have it early then eat and at this time year are in bed by about 9pm as it's gone dark and cold.

We are both wearing leather jackets and Kevlar lined jeans as our main riding gear. I think this works well most of the time, in particular you look and feel normal rather walking about in odd looking goretex suits. This combo though isn't good on poor weather mainly as the denim takes ages to dry.

Other reflections: it's good to have a target destination as it gives you a focus for the trip. On this trip we split it into several stages: across Canada to the Rockies; North to Dawson City; To Fairbanks; Around Alaska to Haines for the ferry; the Northern Rockies to Wyoming; Mount Rushmore; then back to Montreal. We have however got round a little too quickly and find ourselves with time on our hands in the last couple stages. Slowing right down (not riding speed, more as an attitude) is difficult as we both enjoy the riding bit so much - new sights, new people, new places, and new weather. It also gives you time to think about home and to start missing home, which we both do whereas before it was all about how best to get to our next. "Destination". (stress "best" not quickest or shortest).

On the slowing down thing, my riding pace has hot slower and slower as we have home along. 55mph is about normal now unless the road is terminally tedious when I might push it up to 65, but generally I have been the slowest vehicle on the open road.

More in a minute or two.






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austin

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The best thing about a trip like this isn't the destination, or the journey, or the amazing sights or anything like that. For us it's the exquisite pleasure we get from talking to strangers and observing the day to day life in a different culture - and believe me in rural USA and Canada it really is a different place: in a cafe in Montana I was enthralled by a conversation amongst a group of 4 men about the merits of different guns and calibre's for shooting people with. The best bit though was that one of the men was the County Marshall!!

In a crowded Buckshot Betty's in the Yukon I observed that every vehicle outside except ours was a pickup and every bloke in there wore a beard except me. On TV was either a lumberjack competition or a rodeo that every single person was watching and was fully engaged in with most clearly knowing the competitors personally.

In Wyoming having a deep and meaningful conversation with a beautiful Sioux woman about the Wild West , how covered wagons have become a symbol of oppression, about poor standards of education in modern USA, and the philosophy behind the American constitution (apparently it's heavily based on the Iroquois system of governance!).

These sorts of things will drift in and out of my memory for years to come, as do similar things from other trips.


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itspossible

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Great commentary on your trip Austin, I also found the campgrounds of variable quality in Alaska but maybe a bit better than your experience. Good thing you went south around Superior rather than north, the weather was cold and wet. Enjoy the final weeks of your trip.

Ron
 

Stubbsie

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Hi Austin,
Great summary of packing and being organised the 6 P's springs to mind.

Viv & I had a similar system of organisation & packing when we used to do the bike rallies back in the late 80's & 90's when I had my Honda CB 900 F2D & my Yamaha FJ 1200 if it works don't fiddle with it.

Have a similar system now old habit die hard.

Ride safe catch up soon - ish
 

nick949

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You may recognize this bike and tent. Austin and Anne made it to the Ontario Guzzi Rally In Lavigne, although last thing I heard, they were propping up the bar, avoiding a day-long rain. They're still faring well, and haven't lost too much from their British accents.

Nick

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austin

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Yup a great weekend with a lot of great guys and gals and some great bikes. Good music but I am afraid that cloud that followed us from the UK made an unwelcome appearance and it rained pretty much all day Saturday. It's also handy having a publican who also has a Guzzi.

We are off to see Niagara Falls and to go up the CN tower in Toronto before we have a rest at Nicks for a few days then take the bike back to the airport for our return. Mileage now nearly 14,000 with a service due 2,000 miles ago :(.

A few pics off the phone

St Mary's rapids at Sault Ste Marie. They are huge, very fast and the pic won't do justice. They are by-passed by massive locks on either bank that can take ships up to 1000 feet long.
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Nick, but I didn't get a shot of his impressive hammock
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Some of the bikes
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My favourite....
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And the Lavinge Tavern and Saturday night's singer.
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Finally we came across this interesting thing on a trailer today. The owner was leaving Churchill on Hudson Bay to live back in Canada on the border with USA. He had moved to Churchill 5 years ago and ran a dog sledding business (dogs were with him too) and using this bombardier snow machine to place strategic caches of helicopter fuel on the tundra to extend their range. He was very eccentric. I should have a photo of him too
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nick949

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Austin - this is the only one I took with my hammock, rather obscured by 'the work bike'. Slept well - perhaps the beer helped!

Nick

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austin

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We left the Moto Guzzi rally on Sunday morning after quite a heavy Saturday afternoon and night in the pub. Live music and a great atmosphere and good and cheap beer and more free food. What was not to like :thumbsupanim: We headed back west the long way round for a hundred or so miles before cutting south to get onto Manitoulin Island - the largest island within a lake in the world and also with the largest lake within an island within a lake. From the north its a couple of short bridges and causeways to get onto the island but its a two hour ferry crossing south across Lake Huron onto a pensinsular north of Toronto. Lots of indian heritage stuff to look at on the island but it was hot and we were, umm, a bit tired after the exertions at the rally and couldn't be bothered with the tent so went into a motel opposite the ferry terminal and with a great view of the harbour area and across lake huron. The British Style Lake trout and chips was excellent. :)

The ferry left at 9am but we were advised to be in the line before 8am to guarantee a place, and they were right as the 6 lanes were already pretty full but we were sent to the front and were first on and first off the ferry.

Remember this is a lake ferry and the boat would put many a cross channel ferry to shame




2 Hours later we left Tobermory south down a long peninsular on nice quiet rural roads, small towns with agricultural related industry and retailers until BOOM at the bottom of the pensinsular we emerged in the GTA - Greater Toronto Area - and the traffic chaos that goes with it. It was areal shock to the system to be back in heavy traffic, queues and general congestion. Nevertheless we plugged on heading towards Niagara falls enjoying the delights of "the 401" (think M1 or M4 levels of traffic but up to 6 lanes wides) and "the QEW". As we approached Niagara we turned off planning to get in a motel but the signs for "jordan valley campground" were like an irresistible force herding us towards it so we surrendered to its draw and were so glad we did as we were greeted with a lovely lush and grassy campground in lightly tree'd valley without an RV in sight of the tenting area. Bliss, pitch black at night and apart from a distant train and a very few cars on the access road, quiet too. We immediately booked another night and then went to discover the campsite was in the middle of the Niagara wine growing area as well. What could be better - steak and salad washed down with wine grown a few hundred yards away. Yum :D

Next day was Niagara Falls, and they were well worth the visit. Hugely commercialised and large tourist draw the falls themselves are very accessible with no payment apart from parking charges (even for the bike, so I took up a whole space :eekicon: ) but we avoided all the various paid for boat rides, tunnels, viewing platforms etc etc and just walked along the prom enjoying the views, sights and best of all the spray from the falls - the temperature now having risen back into the mid 30's centigrade.

Canada's Horseshoe falls.






A view down the gorge to the American falls. Maid o'the mist in the middle.


and this is about as close as she gets, which I thought was rubbish so definitely wasn't going to have a go










The penultimate leg of our trip was from Niagara to Nick's house where we started almost 3 months to the day ago, but first we had to get through Toronto. Lots of people had warned us how bad Toronto traffic was but I had laughed it off saying we are from the UK and we practically invented traffic jams. But they were right, it is the worst traffic I have been in as not only is it busy but it goes on and and on and on - think it was about 140 miles before we felt like we had left the GTA behind and for most of that way was on a 4-8 lane motorway solid with traffic doing between 0 and 90+mph but usually something less that 40. We joined the QEW near the Niagara at 9.30 and it was still a fast moving jam despite being well past rush hour, various signs told us of impending doom ahead but as we didn't have a clue "what slow moving traffic on DVW" meant it was no help so we quickly joined stationary queues of traffic and with the air temperature at 32c and a very very hot engine it was unbearable so we gave up on going the CN tower and got off the main routes and into town to find some shade and a rest and then happened on BMW Toronto. Car dealer with one or two bikes but I pooped in for the air con and to buy a litre of oil - $12 for a litre of fully synth BMW oil was a real bargain (£5.96) and after tipping half of it in and letting us and bike cool down for 30 mins or so the bike sounded and was running a lot better - I am not sure the Rugged Roads oil cooler protector was letting enough air through in the stop start traffic - the oil temp gauge was a mildly worrying one bar above normal and on oil that is 2,000 miles beyond its due change. Once we turned off the 401 things were cooler as we were right next to the lake and a lot less frenetic so we stayed with this minor highway all the way to Kingston and the short hop north to Inverary where Nick lives.

The beer that greeted our arrival was very very welcome and Nick,his wife Chris and son Sam were to be our hosts for the next 5 nights, but that it is the next chapter and will have wait until we are home, suffice it to say we are being very well looked after, fed, watered and entertained which after three months of self sufficiency on the road is a very welcome shock to the system.

Nick and his rare and beautiful Moto Guzzi 750SS on a ride out along some the excellent twisties in his part of Ontario.
 

austin

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Canada & USA 2015

That's the bike safely (I hope) ensconced with Air Canada. The whole process took under an hour including a lot of chit chat with the guys and an Aussie couple shipping a couple of UK registered F700 BMW's to the UK at the end of a 14month RTW. The bikes and they looked like new and apart from a Mexican registered KTM were the first non Canadian or USA registered bikes we have seen all trip.

The cost of shipping was $813 to air Canada and $160 to the dangerous goods man, (total about £480) although tbh I am not sure what I have got for the money for the dangerous thing other than a piece of paper saying a bike is dangerous to ship.

Now in a very nice hotel to celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary ;). We land at Heathrow at 7.30 am on Thursday10th so may see some of you as you go down to the national on the M40 or M6 as we head back up north. Look for an overloaded gs1200 with a big yellow bag on top of the right hand pannier going solely in the slow lane.

Oh, and they weighed the bike for shipping fully loaded = 335kg. Add our weight and it is waaaay over 500kg. I think that's overloaded.


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Whealie

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It has been great to share your adventure, albeit jealously from behind a screen.


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Alba

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Happy anniversary .....

The time has flown by, now you'll not know what to do with yourselves. Driving on the right will take a bit of getting used to, stay safe.
 
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